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there's a whole fleet of them look on

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the assay

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oh my gosh they're all going against the

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it was basically a cube with inside of

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sphere where the points of the cube

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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states

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hi everyone and welcome to a very

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special that ufo podcast

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i'm not going to waste too much time and

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get straight into the interview for this

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one because you are here for one reason

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and one reason only

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uh for a long time i've made no secret

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the top of my wish list for guests on

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this podcast

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would be one mr louise elizondo and i'm

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delighted to see i have lou

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on the podcast with me now welcome to

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the podcast

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thank you very much it's uh certainly my

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honor and privilege um

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i sincerely appreciate your time and of

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course your audience's time as well

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listen uh it's no secret people seek out

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your interviews and they troll through

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them with a fine tooth comb

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to get any little nuggets of information

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they can so hopefully we can get through

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on this interview as possible the

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response from the listeners has been

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incredible

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um i would just like to preface it by

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saying that i've watched your interviews

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recently with john greenwald on

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blackvault

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and ryan sprague somewhere in the skies

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i have tried to stay away from

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anything they talked about because they

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done a good job with their interviews

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and i would highly suggest and recommend

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people go and seek out those interviews

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for anything that i potentially don't

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cover and i'd like to get straight into

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the first question lou

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um regarding your security clearance

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this is something a lot of people bring

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up as a source of frustration

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when you can't answer the question and

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the way that they might not like you to

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can you start off just by talking a

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little bit about your clearance that you

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that means yeah sure

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so security clearance is i think a lot

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of times over complicated

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uh if if people on the outside haven't

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there's this giant mystery behind you

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know a security clearance of what it

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means and

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and the type of access of information

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you have here in the united states we

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classification it's

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just unclassified information um the

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three classifications are confidential

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uh into the public sphere if an enemy

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people's lives when you're collecting

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some degree that person's life is now in

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not share certain information and if i

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afraid to go to jail

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to jail but but it's because

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oath that i took and that oath wasn't

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just to the us government it was to the

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you make that oath till death do us part

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simply by saying well i'm gonna let you

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um then everything that i've ever stood

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that probably would have saved me a lot

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of grief a lot of sharp shooting by a

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lot of people

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but i'm not going to sell out

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individuals and sources that i've worked

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just to save my ass i'm not that kind of

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you know i know as as more information

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comes to life people are kind of

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frustrated saying you know lou why

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why didn't you just say this three years

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well because i'm not that kind of guy

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i'm not just going to go ahead and say

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something and compromise somebody else

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just to save my credibility that's not

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what this endeavor is about it's not

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satisfying the idle curiosity of people

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never has been this is a much more

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as i've said before then that's that's

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do whatever i have to do to have that

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so i'd like to follow on from that with

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that in mind when you appeared on fox

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well because i'm not saying the

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specifics i'm not saying where it is

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where it's from uh

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who collected it remember what he said

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he said do you believe

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that the u.s government has material in

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its possession

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well he's asking me my my personal

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opinion

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and and i can i can provide my personal

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opinion in that regard i'm allowed to

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based upon the information i saw

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i i can say that because he's not asking

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me to say

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something to the effect of um for

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example

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who collected the material where is it

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being stored

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under whose authorities and auspices

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what are its capabilities what is it

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specifically made out of that's not what

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the question was he just simply asked me

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do you believe

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there is recovered material anything

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beyond that

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other than what i believe now becomes

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stated fact and now i have to be careful

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because that stated fact is based upon

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knowledge

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that i had as as as a employee of the us

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government

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and that's why i was very specific when

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i said

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you know i have to be careful what i say

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here i i i take a minute and i have to

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pause and have to think about it because

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you know it's a it's a very fine line

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there's there's a there's a ledge there

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and i'm tiptoeing pretty close to that

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ledge and i you know

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one word just one wrong word and

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i'm i'm going to be over the edge and uh

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you know

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it things can get very complicated for

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me

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counterintelligence helps you tip to

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that edge pretty well

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and it seems to have worked for you so

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far um it's been well documented since

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you're parting of ways with ttsa that

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it's been amicable and you've got a lot

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of friends there and you enjoyed your

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time there

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since then have you been able to hold on

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to any projects you were involved with

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at the time with ttsa that you can

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continue to work on

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what a good question very very

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insightful thank you for asking that

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question

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the answer is a wholehearted yes

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there are efforts within ttsa that i'm

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still

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very much engaged with that ttsa now

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that it's refocusing uh

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to the entertainment piece i have the

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ability to

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run with some of these other efforts uh

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in a way

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that doesn't interfere uh

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or or complicate what ttsa is trying to

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achieve

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and at the same time allows me the

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flexibility to as i said before

361
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shift into second gear basically uh

362
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move this effort now into phase two

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any specifics around those that you can

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talk about

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um not at this moment i think very very

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soon it'll be

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clear the reason why i don't want to

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talk about it is because

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they're in a delicate state of um of

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development

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and what i don't want to do is say

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something right now prematurely

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and you know let's say there's an

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organization out there that's very

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interested in partnering with us to

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bring this capability to full maturity

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right

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um i don't want to do anything to spook

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the herd um this is still

380
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i mean it's still a very it's still a

381
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very controversial topic that we're

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dealing with we're talking about uaps

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and

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the point where i think it's becoming

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more accepted

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but but we haven't achieved that that

387
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state of normalcy yet that we're all

388
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looking for so

389
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i have to be careful stigma and taboo is

390
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still a very

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significant part of this conversation

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and i have to tread very lightly and

393
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delicately sometimes

394
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when you talk about stigma and taboo

395
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normally with most people

396
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talking about that with me in this

397
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subject i would say that you know

398
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that you can't tell me anything better

399
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but given who i'm talking with you

400
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probably can and given what your line of

401
00:13:15,590 --> 00:13:13,200
work's been in the past as well

402
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as part of those changes at ttsa steve

403
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justice and chris melon also left

404
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what is your relationship with those

405
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gentlemen today and do you still plan to

406
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collaborate on projects with them

407
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oh yeah daily uh we should be no

408
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surprise that uh

409
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we are in very uh close collaboration

410
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proximity from a perspective of

411
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collaboration

412
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uh there's very little daylight in fact

413
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uh i speak to

414
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to chris um on

415
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on a daily basis uh we are working very

416
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hard together this has been a

417
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really and forgive me for saying this

418
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because people i think are going to look

419
00:13:53,509 --> 00:13:51,360
into this and they're going to

420
00:13:54,870 --> 00:13:53,519
misconstrue what i'm saying um they're

421
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going to say i see you i told you he was

422
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manipulating

423
00:14:01,509 --> 00:13:59,440
um chris and i chris is

424
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is is absolutely the epitome of a

425
00:14:05,189 --> 00:14:03,600
strategist he's probably one of the most

426
00:14:07,910 --> 00:14:05,199
intelligent human beings i have

427
00:14:10,069 --> 00:14:07,920
ever met and i've met a lot of smart

428
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people

429
00:14:12,790 --> 00:14:11,440
we have been running this for the last

430
00:14:15,430 --> 00:14:12,800
three years very much like you would a

431
00:14:17,750 --> 00:14:15,440
military or an intelligence campaign

432
00:14:19,269 --> 00:14:17,760
there's five pillars of emphasis that we

433
00:14:21,750 --> 00:14:19,279
have been focusing on

434
00:14:23,189 --> 00:14:21,760
and none of these pillars can ever

435
00:14:23,990 --> 00:14:23,199
become taller than the other think of

436
00:14:26,470 --> 00:14:24,000
putting a roof

437
00:14:27,990 --> 00:14:26,480
on on on a house right you can't have

438
00:14:29,509 --> 00:14:28,000
one side of the house

439
00:14:31,030 --> 00:14:29,519
taller than the other side because then

440
00:14:33,350 --> 00:14:31,040
the roof gets cockeyed

441
00:14:34,949 --> 00:14:33,360
so the five pillars are the first one

442
00:14:37,590 --> 00:14:34,959
has been legislative engagement

443
00:14:39,350 --> 00:14:37,600
and that's in making sure that our our

444
00:14:40,310 --> 00:14:39,360
senior elected officials in this country

445
00:14:44,310 --> 00:14:40,320
the committees

446
00:14:46,150 --> 00:14:44,320
are properly briefed into the phenomenon

447
00:14:47,430 --> 00:14:46,160
the next pillar has been senior

448
00:14:49,269 --> 00:14:47,440
executive uh

449
00:14:50,550 --> 00:14:49,279
engagement on the executive branch

450
00:14:52,470 --> 00:14:50,560
senior leadership so

451
00:14:55,350 --> 00:14:52,480
um that would be engaging those

452
00:14:57,430 --> 00:14:55,360
individuals in the executive branch

453
00:14:59,110 --> 00:14:57,440
that need to be briefed so for example

454
00:15:00,629 --> 00:14:59,120
um everybody knows that in the last

455
00:15:01,910 --> 00:15:00,639
administration the president had been

456
00:15:03,829 --> 00:15:01,920
briefed a few times

457
00:15:05,269 --> 00:15:03,839
the secretary of defense secretary of

458
00:15:07,829 --> 00:15:05,279
defense was briefed

459
00:15:09,430 --> 00:15:07,839
um you know former director of the cia

460
00:15:10,389 --> 00:15:09,440
so it's now coming to light that these

461
00:15:12,790 --> 00:15:10,399
people were briefed

462
00:15:14,790 --> 00:15:12,800
so that was the second pillar executive

463
00:15:16,949 --> 00:15:14,800
engagement executive level of engagement

464
00:15:18,870 --> 00:15:16,959
the third pillar has been international

465
00:15:19,509 --> 00:15:18,880
engagement engaging those friends and

466
00:15:22,710 --> 00:15:19,519
allies

467
00:15:23,030 --> 00:15:22,720
in other countries are counterparts that

468
00:15:24,790 --> 00:15:23,040
are

469
00:15:26,150 --> 00:15:24,800
interested in having this conversation

470
00:15:27,350 --> 00:15:26,160
they're seeing something too they never

471
00:15:29,189 --> 00:15:27,360
really wanted to say anything but now

472
00:15:30,790 --> 00:15:29,199
that the u.s has stepped forward

473
00:15:32,949 --> 00:15:30,800
they can reach forward and say hey you

474
00:15:33,910 --> 00:15:32,959
know we'd like to talk to you about this

475
00:15:35,670 --> 00:15:33,920
topic because

476
00:15:36,949 --> 00:15:35,680
we've we've got some questions like you

477
00:15:38,230 --> 00:15:36,959
saw with japan

478
00:15:39,990 --> 00:15:38,240
recently and they've come out and

479
00:15:41,350 --> 00:15:40,000
established a relationship

480
00:15:43,590 --> 00:15:41,360
with the united states for the explicit

481
00:15:43,829 --> 00:15:43,600
purposes of sharing uap information i

482
00:15:45,910 --> 00:15:43,839
mean

483
00:15:47,910 --> 00:15:45,920
that's a big deal right and then the

484
00:15:49,829 --> 00:15:47,920
fourth pillar is media engagement

485
00:15:51,269 --> 00:15:49,839
making sure that mainstream media has

486
00:15:54,710 --> 00:15:51,279
enough information

487
00:15:56,550 --> 00:15:54,720
um so they know they can have a a a

488
00:15:57,910 --> 00:15:56,560
an elevated conversation about the topic

489
00:15:59,749 --> 00:15:57,920
we're no longer talking about

490
00:16:00,949 --> 00:15:59,759
tinfoil hats and elvis on the mothership

491
00:16:02,629 --> 00:16:00,959
we're talking about science we're

492
00:16:06,870 --> 00:16:02,639
talking about quantum physics

493
00:16:08,710 --> 00:16:06,880
we're talking about about a real

494
00:16:10,150 --> 00:16:08,720
issue that we have right now something

495
00:16:11,509 --> 00:16:10,160
that is in our skies we don't know what

496
00:16:12,629 --> 00:16:11,519
it is we don't know where it's from we

497
00:16:14,230 --> 00:16:12,639
don't really know how it works and

498
00:16:16,389 --> 00:16:14,240
there's not much we can do about it

499
00:16:17,590 --> 00:16:16,399
um that's that's that's that's a tough

500
00:16:20,150 --> 00:16:17,600
discussion to have

501
00:16:21,110 --> 00:16:20,160
and media is finally taking it seriously

502
00:16:23,189 --> 00:16:21,120
um despite this

503
00:16:24,150 --> 00:16:23,199
you know 70 some odd years of of

504
00:16:26,790 --> 00:16:24,160
ridicule and

505
00:16:28,150 --> 00:16:26,800
and bad hollywood movies about the topic

506
00:16:31,749 --> 00:16:28,160
and then the fifth pillar is

507
00:16:34,870 --> 00:16:31,759
is is engaging the masses engaging

508
00:16:36,870 --> 00:16:34,880
people and um that is critically

509
00:16:38,230 --> 00:16:36,880
important and so let me dissect a little

510
00:16:39,749 --> 00:16:38,240
bit about the five pillars

511
00:16:41,590 --> 00:16:39,759
you don't ever want your legislative

512
00:16:43,910 --> 00:16:41,600
branch to get ahead of the ball

513
00:16:45,269 --> 00:16:43,920
uh beyond your executive branch because

514
00:16:46,790 --> 00:16:45,279
it takes both of them you have people

515
00:16:47,590 --> 00:16:46,800
making laws and then people executing

516
00:16:48,870 --> 00:16:47,600
laws so

517
00:16:50,710 --> 00:16:48,880
so you never want to make sure that

518
00:16:51,670 --> 00:16:50,720
either the conservatives or liberals or

519
00:16:53,110 --> 00:16:51,680
anybody else

520
00:16:55,269 --> 00:16:53,120
has more information on the other side

521
00:16:57,110 --> 00:16:55,279
this is a nonpartisan issue

522
00:16:58,550 --> 00:16:57,120
it's everybody gets the same amount of

523
00:17:00,310 --> 00:16:58,560
information if you have the security

524
00:17:01,350 --> 00:17:00,320
clearance and you're in a position of

525
00:17:04,309 --> 00:17:01,360
authority

526
00:17:04,789 --> 00:17:04,319
then at the same time when we talk about

527
00:17:07,029 --> 00:17:04,799
the

528
00:17:08,630 --> 00:17:07,039
media engagement and public engagement

529
00:17:10,150 --> 00:17:08,640
that's critically important because both

530
00:17:11,029 --> 00:17:10,160
the executive branch and legislative

531
00:17:13,990 --> 00:17:11,039
branch

532
00:17:14,549 --> 00:17:14,000
are responsive to the people period full

533
00:17:18,710 --> 00:17:14,559
stop

534
00:17:20,789 --> 00:17:18,720
meaning ultimately we serve the people

535
00:17:21,990 --> 00:17:20,799
not the other way around the the people

536
00:17:23,909 --> 00:17:22,000
do not serve the government the

537
00:17:25,510 --> 00:17:23,919
government serves the people that is in

538
00:17:26,949 --> 00:17:25,520
our constitution and anybody

539
00:17:29,190 --> 00:17:26,959
who's forgotten that shouldn't be in

540
00:17:29,990 --> 00:17:29,200
government so it is important that the

541
00:17:32,630 --> 00:17:30,000
people have

542
00:17:34,630 --> 00:17:32,640
as much information as they can to then

543
00:17:36,230 --> 00:17:34,640
enable their leadership

544
00:17:38,390 --> 00:17:36,240
as we've been seeing right now this

545
00:17:40,390 --> 00:17:38,400
tremendous effort within ufo twitter to

546
00:17:41,510 --> 00:17:40,400
engage members of congress to engage the

547
00:17:44,150 --> 00:17:41,520
media

548
00:17:45,190 --> 00:17:44,160
it's working it's working it's it's

549
00:17:46,710 --> 00:17:45,200
people say well you're not sharing

550
00:17:47,669 --> 00:17:46,720
classified information no but i don't

551
00:17:51,110 --> 00:17:47,679
have to

552
00:17:51,990 --> 00:17:51,120
we're we are achieving more with this

553
00:17:54,950 --> 00:17:52,000
grassroots

554
00:17:56,390 --> 00:17:54,960
effort than ever by me just going and

555
00:17:57,110 --> 00:17:56,400
briefing congress at the classified

556
00:17:59,430 --> 00:17:57,120
level

557
00:18:00,870 --> 00:17:59,440
all of this has to happen simultaneously

558
00:18:04,150 --> 00:18:00,880
it has to be deliberate

559
00:18:04,789 --> 00:18:04,160
it has to be strategic uh and it has to

560
00:18:08,549 --> 00:18:04,799
be

561
00:18:10,789 --> 00:18:08,559
purposeful and and i think um

562
00:18:12,390 --> 00:18:10,799
you know it's if people were to realize

563
00:18:13,669 --> 00:18:12,400
just spend a day in our shoes they'd

564
00:18:15,750 --> 00:18:13,679
realize

565
00:18:17,029 --> 00:18:15,760
it's not that easy i mean it's it's

566
00:18:18,549 --> 00:18:17,039
tough and

567
00:18:20,230 --> 00:18:18,559
you know a lot of the playbook where

568
00:18:22,070 --> 00:18:20,240
we're writing as as

569
00:18:23,750 --> 00:18:22,080
as we're doing it's kind of like

570
00:18:24,230 --> 00:18:23,760
building an airplane while you're flying

571
00:18:29,830 --> 00:18:24,240
it

572
00:18:31,510 --> 00:18:29,840
really can't there's a

573
00:18:33,110 --> 00:18:31,520
there's a lot of smart people that are

574
00:18:33,430 --> 00:18:33,120
working this effort behind the scenes

575
00:18:35,350 --> 00:18:33,440
both

576
00:18:36,789 --> 00:18:35,360
inside the government and outside the

577
00:18:38,230 --> 00:18:36,799
government

578
00:18:40,470 --> 00:18:38,240
it's you know we make mistakes all the

579
00:18:43,029 --> 00:18:40,480
time but this is why

580
00:18:43,990 --> 00:18:43,039
once again ufo twitter's so important

581
00:18:46,070 --> 00:18:44,000
because

582
00:18:47,830 --> 00:18:46,080
you guys have a lot of great ideas a lot

583
00:18:49,830 --> 00:18:47,840
of things that we don't think about

584
00:18:51,029 --> 00:18:49,840
and on a daily basis as i'm reading

585
00:18:52,390 --> 00:18:51,039
through the twitter sphere i'm not

586
00:18:53,029 --> 00:18:52,400
reading comments while people think

587
00:18:54,630 --> 00:18:53,039
about me

588
00:18:56,630 --> 00:18:54,640
quite frankly i don't give a [\h__\h] what

589
00:18:58,310 --> 00:18:56,640
people think about me what i care is how

590
00:19:00,150 --> 00:18:58,320
people are taking the topic

591
00:19:02,150 --> 00:19:00,160
and if they have any new ideas and

592
00:19:03,830 --> 00:19:02,160
insights and it's valuable

593
00:19:05,909 --> 00:19:03,840
it's paying off we're able to then take

594
00:19:06,710 --> 00:19:05,919
some of those ideas formulate them into

595
00:19:08,549 --> 00:19:06,720
a strategy

596
00:19:10,310 --> 00:19:08,559
and then execute those strategies in a

597
00:19:10,789 --> 00:19:10,320
very meaningful meaningful purposeful

598
00:19:12,390 --> 00:19:10,799
way

599
00:19:14,230 --> 00:19:12,400
whether we're dealing with congress or

600
00:19:15,590 --> 00:19:14,240
the us government or foreign governments

601
00:19:17,430 --> 00:19:15,600
or the media

602
00:19:19,350 --> 00:19:17,440
and that's great to hear and i would

603
00:19:21,029 --> 00:19:19,360
encourage people in the uk particularly

604
00:19:23,510 --> 00:19:21,039
which the the conversations

605
00:19:25,270 --> 00:19:23,520
poor to non-existent to check out uap

606
00:19:27,270 --> 00:19:25,280
media uk which is something we're trying

607
00:19:28,630 --> 00:19:27,280
to help with from a media perspective in

608
00:19:31,669 --> 00:19:28,640
the uk as well

609
00:19:33,430 --> 00:19:31,679
now shifting attack slightly low i want

610
00:19:35,110 --> 00:19:33,440
to ask you about your trip to pick up

611
00:19:37,029 --> 00:19:35,120
materials from the bledsoes

612
00:19:39,190 --> 00:19:37,039
now the bledsoes are a family with an

613
00:19:40,470 --> 00:19:39,200
immense interest particularly in the ufo

614
00:19:42,070 --> 00:19:40,480
uap community

615
00:19:43,830 --> 00:19:42,080
are you still in contact with chris and

616
00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:43,840
his family and what's the status of the

617
00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:45,360
project there

618
00:19:48,789 --> 00:19:46,880
you know chris is a wonderful gentleman

619
00:19:49,350 --> 00:19:48,799
i've had the the pleasure of meeting him

620
00:19:52,789 --> 00:19:49,360
twice

621
00:19:54,789 --> 00:19:52,799
uh in person um that meeting was really

622
00:19:55,590 --> 00:19:54,799
facilitated through one of my former

623
00:19:59,029 --> 00:19:55,600
colleagues

624
00:20:02,390 --> 00:19:59,039
at the time tom delong and jim semivam

625
00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:02,400
um i you know i i cannot

626
00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:05,280
substantiate publicly the claims i have

627
00:20:07,909 --> 00:20:06,000
i believe

628
00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:07,919
uh in my heart of hearts that they truly

629
00:20:12,470 --> 00:20:10,080
believe what they're experiencing and at

630
00:20:14,470 --> 00:20:12,480
the same time it actually may be correct

631
00:20:15,590 --> 00:20:14,480
i don't know the problem is it's very

632
00:20:18,549 --> 00:20:15,600
subjective

633
00:20:20,070 --> 00:20:18,559
uh which a lot of stuff is in this field

634
00:20:22,470 --> 00:20:20,080
is subjective so so

635
00:20:24,149 --> 00:20:22,480
i'm not saying that it's it's true or

636
00:20:24,789 --> 00:20:24,159
it's not true what i'm simply saying is

637
00:20:27,270 --> 00:20:24,799
that

638
00:20:28,789 --> 00:20:27,280
at the end of the day we have to use

639
00:20:31,110 --> 00:20:28,799
methodologies that can

640
00:20:32,149 --> 00:20:31,120
that that conform to the scientific

641
00:20:34,789 --> 00:20:32,159
principles

642
00:20:35,590 --> 00:20:34,799
of of science and that means you know

643
00:20:37,750 --> 00:20:35,600
peer review

644
00:20:39,350 --> 00:20:37,760
and this has to be repeatable and and

645
00:20:40,630 --> 00:20:39,360
things like that otherwise it's just

646
00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:40,640
anecdotal

647
00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:43,440
again i'm not i'm not diminishing the

648
00:20:46,149 --> 00:20:44,240
value

649
00:20:48,630 --> 00:20:46,159
or the reality of what they are

650
00:20:49,510 --> 00:20:48,640
experiencing um i i'm pretty certain

651
00:20:51,909 --> 00:20:49,520
there's a lot

652
00:20:54,149 --> 00:20:51,919
a lot of strange things happening there

653
00:20:55,990 --> 00:20:54,159
very similar to skinwalker ranch

654
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:56,000
but the problem is i have to remain

655
00:21:01,909 --> 00:20:58,320
focused i i have to remain focused on

656
00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:01,919
on the uap issue that we're dealing with

657
00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:03,760
right now and people just say well it is

658
00:21:07,830 --> 00:21:05,200
related well okay fine but

659
00:21:10,230 --> 00:21:07,840
again i've got no data to prove that you

660
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:10,240
know i don't know what's going on

661
00:21:13,669 --> 00:21:11,760
over there regarding the blood cells

662
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:13,679
other than what's been reported

663
00:21:19,990 --> 00:21:16,880
and so for me um you know

664
00:21:20,950 --> 00:21:20,000
i'm not saying it's it's not valid or

665
00:21:23,190 --> 00:21:20,960
relevant

666
00:21:25,029 --> 00:21:23,200
i just don't have enough data yet to to

667
00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:25,039
make any type of conclusive

668
00:21:29,190 --> 00:21:28,080
uh decision if it fits into the calculus

669
00:21:30,870 --> 00:21:29,200
of the effort we're on

670
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:30,880
because i can't go to con a member of

671
00:21:34,470 --> 00:21:32,960
congress or a senior member of the

672
00:21:35,830 --> 00:21:34,480
executive department and say

673
00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:35,840
oh by the way these people are having

674
00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:37,760
these these paranormal experiences over

675
00:21:42,310 --> 00:21:40,000
there we should listen to them

676
00:21:43,110 --> 00:21:42,320
that that's not going to get me very far

677
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:43,120
i have to

678
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:44,880
you know what what's what's so i think

679
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:46,320
compelling about the uap

680
00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:48,240
issue is that you have human beings

681
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:49,600
which are trained observers right think

682
00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:51,840
of a human being as no no different than

683
00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:54,559
any other intelligence collection system

684
00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:56,159
so you have human beings that are that

685
00:22:01,029 --> 00:21:56,480
are

686
00:22:02,789 --> 00:22:01,039
which is backed up then and collected on

687
00:22:03,350 --> 00:22:02,799
electro optical data like gun camera

688
00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:03,360
footage

689
00:22:07,750 --> 00:22:05,520
which is also backed up by by

690
00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:07,760
electromagnetic information like radar

691
00:22:09,990 --> 00:22:08,400
right

692
00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:10,000
and all of a sudden you know you have

693
00:22:14,950 --> 00:22:12,240
three different separate collection

694
00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:14,960
capabilities all looking at the same

695
00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:15,440
thing

696
00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:17,600
at the same time in the same place under

697
00:22:21,669 --> 00:22:19,440
the same circumstances

698
00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:21,679
that's data that i can i can then

699
00:22:27,029 --> 00:22:23,840
present in a meaningful way

700
00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:27,039
to decision makers that that is is a

701
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:27,679
much

702
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:30,720
um easier approach

703
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:33,840
at least for me and my colleagues um to

704
00:22:38,230 --> 00:22:35,760
to achieve mission success and again i

705
00:22:40,789 --> 00:22:38,240
don't want to disparage in any way

706
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:40,799
uh the blood cells or anybody else who

707
00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:42,240
has their own personal experiences

708
00:22:44,390 --> 00:22:43,120
because that's why they're called

709
00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:44,400
personal experiences

710
00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:47,520
they're personal um but

711
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:49,600
but right now i can't include that in my

712
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:51,679
calculus it's a lovely family very

713
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:52,799
wonderful family

714
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:54,799
and i have no reason to believe that

715
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:56,880
that mr bledsoe or his family

716
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:00,400
are lying or deceiving in any way um

717
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:02,720
but again that data just i can't

718
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:05,440
incorporate it into the current calculus

719
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:07,440
that i'm using if that makes sense

720
00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:09,360
absolutely and you mentioned skin walker

721
00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:10,480
ranch now i have

722
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:12,400
spoken with brandon fugo and he'll be on

723
00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:13,840
the podcast soon hopefully

724
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:17,120
um himself bob bigelow both former and

725
00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:18,960
president owner of skin walker ranch

726
00:23:22,149 --> 00:23:20,240
have had their own scientific

727
00:23:24,070 --> 00:23:22,159
experiments going on and

728
00:23:25,590 --> 00:23:24,080
some data released you know a good tv

729
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:25,600
show has come out as part of that as

730
00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:27,760
well which the second season is due soon

731
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:29,600
but there are still ongoing scientific

732
00:23:33,909 --> 00:23:31,039
experience experiences

733
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:33,919
and experiments sorry they have both

734
00:23:36,390 --> 00:23:34,559
said and

735
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:36,400
others around skinwalker ranch that it

736
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:37,840
comes with somewhat of a sticky

737
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:38,880
portfolio

738
00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:40,960
and this topic and subject if you want

739
00:23:45,269 --> 00:23:43,039
to put the phenomena under an umbrella

740
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:45,279
have you ever had any experiences like

741
00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:47,760
that yourself

742
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:51,200
uh wow

743
00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:53,440
again great question uh and one

744
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:54,799
unfortunately

745
00:23:58,390 --> 00:23:57,120
i'm gonna politely sidestep at this time

746
00:24:01,909 --> 00:23:58,400
um

747
00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:01,919
uh uh you know that was a

748
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:04,320
that was um that was many years ago and

749
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:05,600
uh

750
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:08,880
into that

751
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:12,720
um i am aware of of

752
00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:15,440
what they were doing um but i think that

753
00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:17,120
i think probably

754
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:19,600
i think i'll sidestep this question

755
00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:24,710
i really am not the right guy to answer

756
00:24:28,470 --> 00:24:26,480
that question you just

757
00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:28,480
asked me have i had any personal

758
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:30,080
experiences

759
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:32,080
if i did or i did not i'm not sure if

760
00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:33,600
that impacts

761
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:36,080
um the ongoing effort right now that

762
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:37,200
we're engaged with

763
00:24:40,630 --> 00:24:38,880
um and i don't you know i don't want to

764
00:24:43,029 --> 00:24:40,640
prejudice the jury

765
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:43,039
it's important as an investigator i try

766
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:43,919
to remain as

767
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:46,400
as fair and impartial and objective as

768
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:47,760
possible

769
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:51,520
and introducing uh my own personal

770
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:54,240
feelings or beliefs or observations

771
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:54,799
about

772
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:57,840
that um you know i

773
00:25:01,430 --> 00:25:00,240
i'm not sure is is overly helpful um i'd

774
00:25:03,190 --> 00:25:01,440
probably rely on

775
00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:03,200
individuals that were more involved with

776
00:25:07,110 --> 00:25:04,880
that effort to

777
00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:07,120
to answer that question that's when i'll

778
00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:08,720
save for part three or part four with

779
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:10,159
louie elizondo and years to come

780
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:11,919
potentially and ask that again

781
00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:14,960
very good can you talk on the work you

782
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:16,000
were doing with uh

783
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:17,520
you're going to be doing with the lakota

784
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:18,960
tribe uh there seems to be a strong

785
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:20,480
connection between native american

786
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:21,200
tribes

787
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:26,549
well damn once again you're asking great

788
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:28,000
questions i'll answer that one

789
00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:32,000
um yes i we are absolutely

790
00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:34,880
engaged in that effort let's not forget

791
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:35,600
that the

792
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:37,360
the first nations of saskatchewan and

793
00:25:42,789 --> 00:25:40,880
all frankly most indigenous peoples

794
00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:42,799
have oral traditions that go back in

795
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:44,080
some cases

796
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:45,679
thousands and thousands of years

797
00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:49,200
pre-history from our perspective

798
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:52,000
and to very much the same that an f-18

799
00:25:56,230 --> 00:25:52,559
pilot

800
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:56,240
is a trained observer uh when flying a

801
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:57,679
combat mission

802
00:26:01,990 --> 00:26:00,159
um indigenous people are trained

803
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:02,000
observers when it comes to

804
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:05,840
their land and um although it might come

805
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:06,320
from a

806
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:08,159
slightly different paradigm than we're

807
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:10,640
used to in the western world

808
00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:12,960
indigenous people have a profound sense

809
00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:14,320
of history

810
00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:17,600
and uh that that it is it is that

811
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:18,799
history

812
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:21,840
that we are very curious to see if we

813
00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:22,480
can see

814
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:25,679
some of the same patterns that we see

815
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:28,559
in um in the current effort regarding

816
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:29,120
ayton

817
00:26:33,990 --> 00:26:31,520
but even more importantly than that i

818
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:34,000
think i think all indigenous people have

819
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:36,640
have lessons that we can learn from i

820
00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:37,200
think we

821
00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:39,760
in it we live in a very materialistic

822
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:41,120
world

823
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:42,960
that is heavily dependent upon

824
00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:44,159
technology

825
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:47,440
and um you know indigenous people

826
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:49,760
for for millennia have gotten along just

827
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:51,120
fine without it

828
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:53,840
and uh their their sense of government

829
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:55,279
and their sense of organization their

830
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:56,880
sense of fairness

831
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:00,480
uh is is truly profound and i think

832
00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:03,760
if we can show the world

833
00:27:09,909 --> 00:27:07,520
just a little bit of that beauty uh

834
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:09,919
we we might be better off we might be

835
00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:12,000
better off as a civilization we might be

836
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:14,559
better off as a race as a species

837
00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:17,200
um i'm not going to go into detail but

838
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:17,679
when i

839
00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:21,360
going up and meeting

840
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:24,880
the chief and the elders of

841
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:27,919
of the bands um with the lakota dakota

842
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:29,600
bands that they'd prefer to be

843
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:33,120
called bands it was a

844
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:34,880
it was a profound experience for me it

845
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:37,679
was it was um

846
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:41,039
it was an epiphany um i learned

847
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:44,320
so much in that brief time i had with

848
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:44,640
them

849
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:46,559
and again i don't want to share the

850
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:48,000
specific instances

851
00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:50,080
because i would like to eventually

852
00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:52,240
provide that in a much more professional

853
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:53,360
manner

854
00:28:01,510 --> 00:27:56,960
for everybody to see but it was

855
00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:01,520
it was not nothing less than

856
00:28:08,389 --> 00:28:05,279
soul shaking and i mean that sincerely

857
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:08,399
uh i i realize there's a whole other

858
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:09,120
aspect

859
00:28:15,669 --> 00:28:12,320
to humanity that we have seen

860
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:15,679
to forget and indigenous people have

861
00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:18,480
despite the challenges they have faced

862
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:21,200
over the years whether it's disease or

863
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:22,159
or

864
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:24,080
being moved against their will to

865
00:28:27,669 --> 00:28:25,360
reservations

866
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:27,679
and the hardships and the discrimination

867
00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:28,720
that they have faced

868
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:31,279
over and over again somehow they were

869
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:33,600
able to maintain

870
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:36,799
their dignity and and their humanity

871
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:41,919
and um for me it was a

872
00:28:47,669 --> 00:28:45,120
it was an understanding of resilience

873
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:47,679
and that the that there is an indelible

874
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:49,360
part of the human being whether you call

875
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:51,200
it the soul or the aid or the chi

876
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:53,279
or whatever whatever non-du jour you

877
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:54,720
want to give it there's an element

878
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:55,760
beyond the

879
00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:58,559
the biomass of a human body and beyond

880
00:29:01,830 --> 00:29:00,320
the electrical synapses of the human

881
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:01,840
brain and the intellect

882
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:04,320
that makes each and every one of us

883
00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:05,279
distinct

884
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:08,799
and and i learned that um

885
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:12,240
there's there's great beauty in that and

886
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:13,679
you know coming from up from a hard

887
00:29:17,669 --> 00:29:16,000
investigator who has been always just a

888
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:17,679
fax ma'am kind of guy

889
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:19,440
you know there's another aspect to being

890
00:29:24,149 --> 00:29:21,120
human here that

891
00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:24,159
um not just me but maybe maybe other

892
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:25,760
people have forgotten as well

893
00:29:31,029 --> 00:29:28,399
and so i want to be able to to tell that

894
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:31,039
that story in a in a very elevated way

895
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:32,720
and share that with other people and see

896
00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:34,320
if they have the same

897
00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:37,279
you know same reaction that that i did i

898
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:38,640
would look forward to that coming to

899
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:39,520
fruition and

900
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:40,720
i think people would be screaming at

901
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:42,720
their podcast devices just now

902
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:44,399
on a lot of different questions we could

903
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:45,919
go off on a tangent with their button

904
00:29:48,149 --> 00:29:47,039
we'll see if they'll save those for

905
00:29:49,909 --> 00:29:48,159
another day

906
00:29:51,269 --> 00:29:49,919
i've made no secret for a long time on

907
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:51,279
this podcast lou uh

908
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:54,080
i i'm a huge fan of unidentified um the

909
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:55,919
tone struck was perfect it was something

910
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:57,679
i was very much looking forward to

911
00:30:02,070 --> 00:29:59,440
um given it seems now there'll be no

912
00:30:03,750 --> 00:30:02,080
season three um can you speak about what

913
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:03,760
you would have liked that to look like

914
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:05,440
and i would also like you to comment i

915
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:07,360
interviewed anthony pay producer of the

916
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:09,360
show and he mentioned on my interview

917
00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:11,120
with him that there had been contact

918
00:30:14,149 --> 00:30:12,559
with people from nasa

919
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:14,159
who just weren't quite ready to go on

920
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:16,320
the record uh could you comment on that

921
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:17,039
as well

922
00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:19,679
yeah so the two questions um what would

923
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:21,039
i like to see in episode three

924
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:23,279
nothing um the answer is simply put

925
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:24,080
nothing we

926
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:25,679
we made a decision chris mellon and i

927
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:27,360
early on that we only wanted to do two

928
00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:28,320
seasons

929
00:30:32,470 --> 00:30:31,520
um that was it was a short relationship

930
00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:32,480
with history channel

931
00:30:37,510 --> 00:30:34,799
they agreed this was never intended to

932
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:37,520
be a long protracted show

933
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:40,799
where we just artificially generate

934
00:30:47,590 --> 00:30:44,240
material for the sake of having a show

935
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:47,600
we it was a target of opportunity

936
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:50,159
that was never meant to be enduring we

937
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:50,640
are now

938
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:52,640
working on some of these those enduring

939
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:53,760
capabilities

940
00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:56,240
but as we shift from from you know phase

941
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:58,240
one to phase two or first gear to second

942
00:31:02,149 --> 00:30:59,279
gear

943
00:31:02,950 --> 00:31:02,159
history had its role and it was very

944
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:02,960
impactful

945
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:04,880
and it did exactly what we intended it

946
00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:07,360
to do but make no mistake

947
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:10,000
the history channel uh effort was not

948
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:11,440
ever it was never intended to be a

949
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:12,480
long-term

950
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:16,080
uh effort for us it was always a short

951
00:31:21,029 --> 00:31:18,080
term it was to get the conversation

952
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:21,039
going and then depending how that went

953
00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:22,720
move on to something else

954
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:25,279
um so that's that's the first part the

955
00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:26,880
second part you asked me about anthony

956
00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:27,440
lepay

957
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:30,559
and people from nasa look i get emails

958
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:32,399
every day it's not just nasa it's nasa

959
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:34,559
it's faa it's department of energy

960
00:31:38,549 --> 00:31:36,720
very very senior people now are finally

961
00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:38,559
coming forward

962
00:31:41,909 --> 00:31:41,120
and wanting to have this conversation um

963
00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:41,919
i think it's

964
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:47,200
anthony lepay is absolutely right but we

965
00:31:49,269 --> 00:31:48,880
also have people from other countries

966
00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:49,279
and

967
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:50,960
senior officials in their intelligence

968
00:31:55,990 --> 00:31:53,279
community and their government apparatus

969
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:56,000
coming forward and that's i think

970
00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:57,600
i think it's indicative of the sign of

971
00:32:02,389 --> 00:32:00,399
the times the conversation is shifting

972
00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:02,399
and again i want to go back to the ufo

973
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:03,919
twitter world because that's in large

974
00:32:09,669 --> 00:32:06,480
part because of you of what you're doing

975
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:09,679
i'm only one voice but

976
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:12,559
you guys are many and i think the beauty

977
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:13,200
about this

978
00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:16,640
uh is that we are no longer uh

979
00:32:21,509 --> 00:32:19,679
a a if you will an enclave

980
00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:21,519
i think what you're seeing with ufo

981
00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:23,919
twitter it's is very quickly becoming an

982
00:32:27,669 --> 00:32:24,640
army

983
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:27,679
uh and that's that's that's a lot

984
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:28,080
different

985
00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:31,440
it's not a it's becoming a i don't know

986
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:32,960
if i want to say the word movement

987
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:34,720
because it's used too much

988
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:37,360
and movements can sometimes used to be

989
00:32:40,389 --> 00:32:38,799
to do bad things

990
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:40,399
just like they can to be used to do good

991
00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:42,559
things but in my case

992
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:45,760
i i think i think the ufo

993
00:32:50,710 --> 00:32:48,960
twitter universe has has

994
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:50,720
helped tremendously in this effort and

995
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:52,640
it's getting people to come out

996
00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:54,480
and talk when you look on twitter i know

997
00:32:59,110 --> 00:32:56,880
for an absolute fact there are several

998
00:33:00,630 --> 00:32:59,120
pseudo handles on there that are very

999
00:33:02,070 --> 00:33:00,640
senior government officials that i

1000
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:02,080
personally know

1001
00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:04,320
and they create these fake accounts just

1002
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:05,919
so they can get a pulse so they can

1003
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:09,120
so they can monitor what's going on and

1004
00:33:12,549 --> 00:33:10,080
that's that's

1005
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:12,559
remarkable you are helping influence

1006
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:13,760
right now

1007
00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:15,760
the conversation here in the united

1008
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:17,600
states that's amazing

1009
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:20,720
so by the way let me uh um also

1010
00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:22,720
if i can apologize real quick you hear

1011
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:24,320
me kind of inhaling a lot

1012
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:26,880
i recently got over covet so i i still

1013
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:28,320
have a little bit of a

1014
00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:29,679
short breath the shortness of breath i

1015
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:31,519
apologize if it comes across that i just

1016
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:33,120
finished running a marathon

1017
00:33:36,149 --> 00:33:35,919
it actually feels like i just did uh so

1018
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:36,159
i

1019
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:39,200
not

1020
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:41,279
uh working out secretly you know

1021
00:33:44,549 --> 00:33:42,720
underneath the table here and

1022
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:44,559
trying to get my exercise in i just

1023
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:45,760
unfortunately it's

1024
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:48,080
it's part of the um you know the covet

1025
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:49,440
no absolutely glad you're glad you've

1026
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:50,880
recovered from that as well and

1027
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:52,080
you've made no secret you're a bit of a

1028
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:53,840
petrol head you talk about gear one to

1029
00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:54,880
gear to

1030
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:57,039
um would it be fair if unidentified was

1031
00:34:01,029 --> 00:33:58,399
part of the first gear

1032
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:01,039
that the untitled uap project sean

1033
00:34:03,669 --> 00:34:02,960
cahill jeremy mcgowan and you've been

1034
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:03,679
involved in

1035
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:04,799
with some of the other guys and

1036
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:07,840
producers would be part of second gear

1037
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:09,679
yes absolutely and there's other other

1038
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:11,760
efforts as well that's just one

1039
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:14,320
uh we have multiple verticals that we're

1040
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:15,280
looking at

1041
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:17,760
to continue the conversation in a much

1042
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:19,599
more impactful broad way

1043
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:21,200
now that the topic has finally been

1044
00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:22,639
taken seriously

1045
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:26,320
uh i think uh throughout many parts of

1046
00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:27,119
the world

1047
00:34:30,149 --> 00:34:29,200
the time is to put this into into a

1048
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:30,159
higher gear

1049
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:31,679
and really as i've always said push the

1050
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:33,520
pedal to the metal

1051
00:34:36,310 --> 00:34:35,040
i know you don't normally speak for

1052
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:36,320
other people but i'm going to quote

1053
00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:37,679
someone here and just ask for your

1054
00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:39,200
thoughts at the end of unidentified

1055
00:34:42,069 --> 00:34:40,159
season two

1056
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:42,079
chris melin had a rather lovely

1057
00:34:47,430 --> 00:34:43,679
monologue to finish off

1058
00:34:50,069 --> 00:34:47,440
um he said that the tech is not i was

1059
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:50,079
not russia's and not china's does this

1060
00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:51,520
for you definitively

1061
00:34:59,589 --> 00:34:55,040
put to bed the notion that uep um

1062
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:02,470
look in order to have a conversation

1063
00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:03,359
with people

1064
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:05,680
you don't need the elephant in one bite

1065
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:07,359
you you have to you have to

1066
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:09,680
eat it in bite-sized consumable pieces

1067
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:11,599
that you can then digest

1068
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:14,000
otherwise you're gonna choke um i've

1069
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:15,359
said it for the record before

1070
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:17,520
we are we are absolutely sure it's not

1071
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:20,880
ours we're pretty damn sure it's not

1072
00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:24,160
foreign um you know i i don't know how

1073
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:25,599
more clear to say that this

1074
00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:29,599
is this is not our technology

1075
00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:31,839
if it was i i don't think you'd be

1076
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:33,280
seeing this kind of effort first of all

1077
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:34,560
we would have figured it out a long time

1078
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:35,359
ago

1079
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:36,720
that this is some sort of russian or

1080
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:38,400
chinese technology right

1081
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:39,680
and then we would have had a counter

1082
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:41,520
technology very quickly

1083
00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:44,560
uh you know it

1084
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:47,359
no it's it's not ours and i i know it's

1085
00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:49,920
uneasy for people to think about that

1086
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:52,640
but it's okay because it's been here for

1087
00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:53,520
a while

1088
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:55,280
and we're still here and religions

1089
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:57,200
haven't collapsed and and governments

1090
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:58,480
haven't imploded

1091
00:36:01,829 --> 00:36:00,480
uh this is just another wondrous mystery

1092
00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:01,839
of the universe

1093
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:04,079
and with that comes some some hope and

1094
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:05,920
opportunity but also you know

1095
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:09,200
we have to exercise some some some

1096
00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:12,400
due diligence and and pragmatic

1097
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:14,720
caution here you know i i'm not the kind

1098
00:36:18,390 --> 00:36:16,400
of guy that's just gonna go running into

1099
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:18,400
a into a dark room

1100
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:21,200
uh with my hands in the air you know and

1101
00:36:25,109 --> 00:36:22,400
and

1102
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:25,119
blindly because you bump into things i

1103
00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:26,720
think we need to approach this like we

1104
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:28,880
do everything else very cautiously

1105
00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:30,960
um you know we know the moon is right

1106
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:32,480
there but yet we don't just throw people

1107
00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:34,320
in rockets and send them to the moon

1108
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:35,680
you know there's a lot that has to

1109
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:37,839
happen to to to

1110
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:40,240
to do that and i think to some degree

1111
00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:42,000
this may be kind of similar

1112
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:45,040
in that uh you know there's

1113
00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:48,000
there's we have to be very careful

1114
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:50,079
cautious and deliberate

1115
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:53,599
in uh how we we ask the questions and

1116
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:56,240
and the answers that we get back um

1117
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:58,400
we're it's very tempting for us to all

1118
00:37:01,589 --> 00:37:00,160
go down the rabbit hole very quickly and

1119
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:01,599
think we have the answer

1120
00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:03,760
i see it all the time and my word of

1121
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:04,800
caution to that is

1122
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:08,000
please please please try your

1123
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:11,440
best to to to be victim of your own

1124
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:12,720
analytic bias

1125
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:15,599
i look i i i suffer from it just like

1126
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:16,800
everybody else

1127
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:19,760
i'm no superhero i have the same same

1128
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:20,720
challenges when i

1129
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:22,400
when i see something i have this

1130
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:24,480
temptation to to jump to a conclusion oh

1131
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:25,440
it must be that

1132
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:26,880
and that's the way the human brain is

1133
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:28,960
wired that's a human thing

1134
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:30,640
the very first thing we do coming out of

1135
00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:32,400
our mother's womb is recognizes

1136
00:37:35,589 --> 00:37:34,400
we recognize her sound and her face and

1137
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:35,599
her touch we

1138
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:39,040
are programmed as a species to recognize

1139
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:41,760
patterns and identify friend or foe that

1140
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:42,160
is

1141
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:45,520
what nature has evolved us to be and so

1142
00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:47,520
it's natural that when you come up

1143
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:50,160
to to an enigma like this and you get

1144
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:51,359
some answers

1145
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:52,960
that we want to jump to conclusions of

1146
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:54,880
what something is or is not

1147
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:58,000
but we really have to we have to be very

1148
00:38:02,150 --> 00:37:59,119
careful and not be

1149
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:02,160
tempted to do that prematurely we really

1150
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:04,400
need to let the scientific

1151
00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:07,520
process and methodologies work and

1152
00:38:10,950 --> 00:38:10,000
and i think once we can do that we we

1153
00:38:13,109 --> 00:38:10,960
may have some

1154
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:13,119
you know surprises some some

1155
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:14,400
surprisingly

1156
00:38:19,990 --> 00:38:18,400
uh simple answers

1157
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:20,000
you've you've led me very nicely on to

1158
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:21,520
this next question because i'm actually

1159
00:38:25,589 --> 00:38:22,720
going to throw back at you

1160
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:25,599
a question you once asked on a piece

1161
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:26,960
you've done the youtube videos out there

1162
00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:28,560
i'm not too sure of the context behind

1163
00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:29,599
it but

1164
00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:30,720
it was certainly something that stuck

1165
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:31,920
with me and a lot of other people as

1166
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:32,640
well

1167
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:34,400
and you asked once for people to

1168
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:36,640
consider what if it wasn't mankind

1169
00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:39,119
but mankind's and what would that mean

1170
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:40,000
for us

1171
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:41,359
could you elaborate on that because

1172
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:43,119
that's something people go back to more

1173
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:44,000
and more

1174
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:46,640
and as more or less hypothetical that's

1175
00:38:50,069 --> 00:38:48,000
what i'm going to put it as but

1176
00:38:51,510 --> 00:38:50,079
people would assume you come from a

1177
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:51,520
better understanding a place of

1178
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:52,000
knowledge

1179
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:56,640
than most would um

1180
00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:00,640
yeah wow uh boy you're getting

1181
00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:02,880
some really really good and personal

1182
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:04,560
questions um

1183
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:06,320
let me see if i can answer that in a

1184
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:08,240
meaningful way without

1185
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:12,079
um without leading

1186
00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:19,349
we live in a three-dimensional world

1187
00:39:24,069 --> 00:39:22,640
where time is a function of the fourth

1188
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:24,079
dimension if you will

1189
00:39:29,349 --> 00:39:26,640
and we experience time as being linear

1190
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:29,359
it's a linear function or a process

1191
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:32,400
but we now know in the quantum world

1192
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:35,359
that time first of all we know that

1193
00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:36,480
space and time

1194
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:37,920
because of the work of einstein and

1195
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:39,520
others that space and time are

1196
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:41,760
are joined together and we know that

1197
00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:43,599
space-time is flexible it's called

1198
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:45,280
relativity we see it around massive

1199
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:46,960
objects all the time not just earth but

1200
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:47,520
the sun

1201
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:50,640
black holes so the linear

1202
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:54,240
universe that we experience um

1203
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:56,560
to some degree really isn't and when you

1204
00:40:01,750 --> 00:39:58,800
look at the quantum state of things

1205
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:01,760
even an electron for example uh you

1206
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:03,359
learn in high school that an electron

1207
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:04,480
orbits an atom

1208
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:06,640
and we now know that's really a very

1209
00:40:09,910 --> 00:40:08,400
simplistic way of looking at things that

1210
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:09,920
the electron doesn't orbit around the

1211
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:11,680
atom in fact it's called an electron

1212
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:12,800
cloud because

1213
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:16,160
the electron is is both all in all

1214
00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:16,640
places

1215
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:20,560
time it's it's kind of weird but

1216
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:22,079
my point being is that if you were to

1217
00:40:26,550 --> 00:40:24,240
look at time and think of us

1218
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:26,560
think of a cigarette burning when you

1219
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:28,160
look at the notion of the future

1220
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:29,760
most people would would define the

1221
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:32,000
future as those events that have not yet

1222
00:40:34,870 --> 00:40:32,880
happened

1223
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:34,880
and the past is defined by events that

1224
00:40:38,309 --> 00:40:36,560
have already happened

1225
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:38,319
and when you look at that construct then

1226
00:40:42,790 --> 00:40:39,920
the definition of the present

1227
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:42,800
must be a a moment in space time

1228
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:44,480
probably measured in playing time very

1229
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:48,240
infinitesimal infinitesimally small

1230
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:51,280
moment of space time where the future is

1231
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:52,000
transitioning

1232
00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:54,800
into the past it's it's it's it's not a

1233
00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:56,000
point in time

1234
00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:58,000
it's a process it's an event that's

1235
00:41:02,069 --> 00:41:00,000
occurring so a way to look at that in

1236
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:02,079
late perspective is think of a cigarette

1237
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:05,280
or a cigar that parts of this cigar that

1238
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:06,800
have already burnt or the cigarette that

1239
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:08,000
have already burnt to ash

1240
00:41:13,109 --> 00:41:10,800
is the past that part of the cigarette

1241
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:13,119
or cigar that has not yet burned

1242
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:15,680
is the future and the cherry that moment

1243
00:41:19,829 --> 00:41:17,040
of ignition

1244
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:19,839
that spark of where the future is now be

1245
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:22,160
getting consumed and becoming the past

1246
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:23,839
that is the present and we as human

1247
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:25,280
beings we live

1248
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:26,960
at that moment all of our hopes our

1249
00:41:32,790 --> 00:41:29,680
fears our memories love hate good bad

1250
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:32,800
all that is an expression of of an

1251
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:34,800
experience that occurs

1252
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:37,760
um at an infinitesimally small moment of

1253
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:38,560
space time

1254
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:40,160
like i said probably measured in playing

1255
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:45,349
that is how we we we experience the

1256
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:46,000
present but

1257
00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:49,599
what if there were things

1258
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:52,319
that had the ability to experience where

1259
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:54,720
where the present was a much bigger

1260
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:56,400
cherry if you will a much bigger

1261
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:58,319
transition where more elements of the

1262
00:42:02,790 --> 00:41:59,760
future in the past

1263
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:02,800
are experienced as in the present uh

1264
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:04,640
and can do that also physically right so

1265
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:06,240
it's not just not just

1266
00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:09,680
uh uh a an idea but

1267
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:12,079
uh what if there were species out there

1268
00:42:16,710 --> 00:42:14,400
that that experienced the universe

1269
00:42:17,589 --> 00:42:16,720
uh in it with it with an extra level of

1270
00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:17,599
dimension

1271
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:19,040
and so you and i are having this

1272
00:42:21,030 --> 00:42:20,319
conversation right now with your

1273
00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:21,040
audience

1274
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:22,720
and we're having this conversation right

1275
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:24,560
here right now but if

1276
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:26,000
i were to have the ability to have this

1277
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:27,760
conversation right here but five minutes

1278
00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:28,240
ago

1279
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:30,800
or five minutes from now we would never

1280
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:32,640
meet we'd be like two ships passing in

1281
00:42:36,150 --> 00:42:33,680
the night

1282
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:36,160
um is it possible that maybe some of

1283
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:38,640
these things these uap have the ability

1284
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:40,800
uh we experience in them we we

1285
00:42:43,589 --> 00:42:42,720
experience them when they are right here

1286
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:43,599
right now

1287
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:46,000
and every other every other time we we

1288
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:47,200
don't because we're simply not

1289
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:48,400
intersecting

1290
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:51,119
uh with that with that uh extra

1291
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:51,920
dimensional

1292
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:54,960
space of of of time um

1293
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:56,640
you know when you look at that cigarette

1294
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:58,480
or cigar burning

1295
00:43:02,790 --> 00:43:01,200
you'll notice that it never burns evenly

1296
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:02,800
when you look at it up close and you can

1297
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:04,560
kind of remove the glare and the flare

1298
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:06,240
from the from the burn

1299
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:09,200
we we realize that that there are

1300
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:11,200
portions of the future

1301
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:13,280
of the portions of the cigar that

1302
00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:14,720
haven't burned yet

1303
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:17,119
uh behind portions of the cigar that

1304
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:18,240
already has burned

1305
00:43:23,910 --> 00:43:21,920
it's it's not an even burn almost

1306
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:23,920
there's an overlap right and quantum

1307
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:25,200
theory uh

1308
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:27,119
is beginning to to show some of the

1309
00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:28,319
models for that

1310
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:31,280
so um i know i'm going in a very

1311
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:33,040
long-winded roundabout way to answer

1312
00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:34,400
your question about what i meant about

1313
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:36,400
mankind

1314
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:38,160
but i guess my answer to that is it's

1315
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:39,440
limitless

1316
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:42,720
we every time we put a limitation on

1317
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:44,880
mother nature she defies

1318
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:48,560
our our box she defies the parameters

1319
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:49,440
for which we set

1320
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:50,880
every time we say every living thing

1321
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:53,599
needs water or oxygen we realize that

1322
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:54,560
there are

1323
00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:57,599
are our microbial life out there

1324
00:44:01,990 --> 00:43:59,920
that that are anaerobic they in fact

1325
00:44:03,910 --> 00:44:02,000
they'll die if you put oxygen they they

1326
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:03,920
they like a non-oxygenated environment

1327
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:04,400
right

1328
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:06,079
you have these extremophiles living at

1329
00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:07,440
the bottom of the ocean

1330
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:10,960
and and and miles below the the arctic

1331
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:12,640
ice

1332
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:15,680
this defies any any definition of life

1333
00:44:20,829 --> 00:44:17,440
in fact a virus itself

1334
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:20,839
in one case you can make the

1335
00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:23,520
the i think you can make the claim that

1336
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:25,040
it is a living organism because it

1337
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:26,160
replicates

1338
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:28,319
and it does a lot of things that a

1339
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:29,920
living organism does

1340
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:33,520
but it also can be defined as a

1341
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:35,440
non-living thing because it doesn't have

1342
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:37,839
dna and it doesn't have a lot of the

1343
00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:38,400
things

1344
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:41,440
that we clearly associate associate with

1345
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:42,800
a living organism like

1346
00:44:49,109 --> 00:44:46,079
respiratory functions right like uh

1347
00:44:50,069 --> 00:44:49,119
anabolic activity so i think we need to

1348
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:50,079
be very cautious

1349
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:53,280
how we define life a long time ago

1350
00:44:59,829 --> 00:44:56,400
we used to defy define life

1351
00:45:01,510 --> 00:44:59,839
uh as uh mammals birds and fish well

1352
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:01,520
you know that's probably a very over

1353
00:45:06,550 --> 00:45:03,760
simplistic view of what life is

1354
00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:06,560
we're spending billions of dollars

1355
00:45:09,829 --> 00:45:08,560
through nasa trying to find microbial

1356
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:09,839
life right now

1357
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:11,680
on some of our our planets in our own

1358
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:13,520
solar system and moons

1359
00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:15,599
because it is it is it we think that

1360
00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:17,200
there's a very good possibility that

1361
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:18,560
exists

1362
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:20,160
seti does the same thing with radio

1363
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:22,240
transmissions trying to find

1364
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:25,040
a signature of life out there and what

1365
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:26,880
we're beginning to find out it that it

1366
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:28,880
is more likely than not that there

1367
00:45:35,910 --> 00:45:32,079
is life out there and that life

1368
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:35,920
might be fairly abundant um so

1369
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:39,520
uh boy um that's one hell of a question

1370
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:40,480
you asked me

1371
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:42,319
well that was one hell of an answer and

1372
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:43,920
just given the answer you've given us

1373
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:45,599
i want to actually finish off this

1374
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:46,800
portion of the interview with the time

1375
00:45:50,230 --> 00:45:48,000
we have left to try and get some

1376
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:50,240
listener questions in soon as well

1377
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:52,000
talking a little bit about your past and

1378
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:53,440
actually the future as well

1379
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:55,200
as well known you resigned from your

1380
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:56,800
position at a tip

1381
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:58,160
that was to try and push forward this

1382
00:46:01,349 --> 00:46:00,000
conversation to the bada public

1383
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:01,359
a lot of people including myself would

1384
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:03,359
thank you for doing that i would like to

1385
00:46:05,670 --> 00:46:03,760
know

1386
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:05,680
how it made you feel having to resign

1387
00:46:08,309 --> 00:46:07,040
from that position

1388
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:08,319
that's not something i've heard anyone

1389
00:46:12,069 --> 00:46:10,560
ask you before

1390
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:12,079
well it was the toughest toughest

1391
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:20,390
it was my you know there's there's

1392
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:23,280
two components that that make up luis

1393
00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:24,480
elizondo there is

1394
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:27,760
the private component as a family

1395
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:30,240
family man and a father and then there

1396
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:31,440
is my

1397
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:34,240
my other component that i feel for me as

1398
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:34,560
as

1399
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:41,040
i i believe in the idea

1400
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:44,800
you know i i i i believe in a life of

1401
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:45,440
service

1402
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:47,920
um i believe in leaving this country and

1403
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:49,440
this world in a little bit better shape

1404
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:50,880
than you found it

1405
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:52,800
and uh you know i i don't expect

1406
00:46:55,829 --> 00:46:54,000
everybody to feel that way

1407
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:55,839
just to me i do because of the way i was

1408
00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:57,359
brought up and my my

1409
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:59,200
the the struggles my family had to go

1410
00:47:01,829 --> 00:47:00,720
through even just to be in this country

1411
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:01,839
so

1412
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:10,480
sincere and and uh profound

1413
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:13,520
commitment i have and so when i left the

1414
00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:16,800
government you know

1415
00:47:21,910 --> 00:47:19,359
in one hand i felt like i was abandoning

1416
00:47:23,829 --> 00:47:21,920
the very establishment

1417
00:47:26,549 --> 00:47:23,839
that that i was committed to to serve

1418
00:47:28,069 --> 00:47:26,559
the american people you know by de facto

1419
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:28,079
i felt like i was abandoning the

1420
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:30,960
american people because i was doing

1421
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:32,640
jobs that were very important for the

1422
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:35,040
government and for the american people

1423
00:47:38,309 --> 00:47:36,720
but in order to serve the american

1424
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:38,319
people i actually had to leave the

1425
00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:40,240
organization that i love to do it

1426
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:43,280
in order to i realized that i'm going to

1427
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:44,800
have to make a choice do i serve the

1428
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:46,640
institution that i belong to

1429
00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:49,839
or do i serve the american people and i

1430
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:52,240
realized that that in order to serve the

1431
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:54,000
american people i would have to leave

1432
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:56,240
the organization the institution

1433
00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:58,319
that i was serving to serve the american

1434
00:48:03,190 --> 00:47:59,440
people

1435
00:48:05,829 --> 00:48:03,200
um it was extremely tough for me

1436
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:05,839
it's you know you can't see this but on

1437
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:07,680
my desk i have all these

1438
00:48:10,870 --> 00:48:09,359
around my office here my moment you know

1439
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:10,880
i'll show you just for a quick second

1440
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:12,720
give your audience a quick tour here i

1441
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:14,640
don't do this very often but uh let me

1442
00:48:19,190 --> 00:48:15,839
see if i can

1443
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:19,200
do this for a second um you can see very

1444
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:20,640
quickly uh

1445
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:24,000
a lot of my

1446
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:27,680
my life is in these walls and uh

1447
00:48:30,710 --> 00:48:29,680
you know it's it's part of part of who i

1448
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:30,720
am

1449
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:34,000
and uh to to leave that is

1450
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:36,880
very was very challenging was very tough

1451
00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:37,359
um

1452
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:42,470
i mean i don't know what else to say

1453
00:48:46,630 --> 00:48:45,119
it's uh well with that action

1454
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:46,640
that you took and it was a big decision

1455
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:48,559
that affected your life your family your

1456
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:49,280
future

1457
00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:51,200
you started a sequence of events and a

1458
00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:52,400
ball rolling which

1459
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:53,839
you'll be you're more than humble enough

1460
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:55,680
to see other people were heavily

1461
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:57,280
involved in with you as well

1462
00:49:01,190 --> 00:49:00,160
so we are now counting down 144 days as

1463
00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:01,200
of recording

1464
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:03,920
my co-host dan got that for me to seeing

1465
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:04,400
a

1466
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:11,680
overseeing this

1467
00:49:16,069 --> 00:49:13,920
why should people be excited about the

1468
00:49:18,069 --> 00:49:16,079
report coming out but also beyond that

1469
00:49:20,790 --> 00:49:18,079
what can we expect to come from the task

1470
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:23,829
okay great question um let me

1471
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:26,640
let me try to get you a a a

1472
00:49:34,710 --> 00:49:30,240
comprehensive and meaningful response

1473
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:34,720
uh i think it is a

1474
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:37,920
tremendous accomplishment that uh

1475
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:39,680
congress has asked the director of

1476
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:42,240
national intelligence for a 180

1477
00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:45,520
180 day report

1478
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:47,839
it shows that there is commitment and

1479
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:49,280
interest by congress

1480
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:50,880
and that there's a willingness by the

1481
00:49:55,109 --> 00:49:52,480
executive branch of the government

1482
00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:55,119
so that's that that is a win scenario

1483
00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:56,480
right there

1484
00:50:01,109 --> 00:50:00,000
the question is a is 180 days long

1485
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:01,119
enough

1486
00:50:04,950 --> 00:50:03,440
to provide a comprehensive report that

1487
00:50:06,790 --> 00:50:04,960
congress deserves

1488
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:06,800
and two will all the relevant

1489
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:08,160
information be in there

1490
00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:10,480
in order for congress to make informed

1491
00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:11,599
decisions

1492
00:50:17,829 --> 00:50:15,520
um if it was up to me

1493
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:17,839
i would probably request a 180 day

1494
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:19,520
extension now i know people right now

1495
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:20,960
are going to be probably

1496
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:23,200
lining up with pitchforks wanting to uh

1497
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:25,200
to burn my house down

1498
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:27,040
but as i've said before there's a

1499
00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:29,440
difference between doing something right

1500
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:31,839
and doing it right now and i prefer we

1501
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:33,520
got one shot to do this right

1502
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:36,240
so uh we've come this far we we've

1503
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:37,920
waited this long

1504
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:40,400
uh you know i i wouldn't be opposed to a

1505
00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:42,160
to a little bit longer just to make sure

1506
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:42,880
that

1507
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:44,400
we we get it right there's a lot

1508
00:50:47,829 --> 00:50:46,319
happening between covid

1509
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:47,839
of course the pandemic and then of

1510
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:49,760
course we have a new administration

1511
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:51,359
coming in and they're trying to

1512
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:52,640
get their feet on the ground the

1513
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:54,960
transition process takes at least 180

1514
00:50:58,230 --> 00:50:55,839
days

1515
00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:58,240
uh and of course we still have you know

1516
00:51:03,430 --> 00:50:59,280
our regular jobs

1517
00:51:06,069 --> 00:51:03,440
trying to protect this country so um

1518
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:06,079
you know i'm not sure i'm not sure as

1519
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:08,640
you say now 144 days

1520
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:12,000
is is is long enough i'm not sure that

1521
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:13,200
we have

1522
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:16,800
a a an adequate structure within a task

1523
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:17,520
force to

1524
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:19,760
answer the mail on that i think what we

1525
00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:21,680
need is a permanent capability

1526
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:25,280
not just a task force uh that is that is

1527
00:51:28,950 --> 00:51:28,000
properly resourced with with the right

1528
00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:28,960
talent

1529
00:51:32,309 --> 00:51:31,119
uh and and the right authorities to do

1530
00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:32,319
what it needs to do look the people in

1531
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:33,680
the task force are amazing human beings

1532
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:34,559
they're friends of mine

1533
00:51:38,309 --> 00:51:37,119
dear friends i i'll go to combat

1534
00:51:41,349 --> 00:51:38,319
tomorrow with them

1535
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:41,359
and i'll die with them but they've been

1536
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:43,520
given an impossible task

1537
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:44,880
it they've been in to some degree the

1538
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:46,960
same task that i was given

1539
00:51:53,829 --> 00:51:50,000
uh when i was in atic it's it's

1540
00:51:55,589 --> 00:51:53,839
it's it's not enough

1541
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:55,599
you can't expect just a handful of

1542
00:52:00,150 --> 00:51:58,079
people to provide this information that

1543
00:52:02,230 --> 00:52:00,160
has historically been been sitting with

1544
00:52:03,190 --> 00:52:02,240
within 17 different intelligence

1545
00:52:06,069 --> 00:52:03,200
agencies

1546
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:06,079
uh in various little pockets and

1547
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:07,200
enclaves

1548
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:10,240
for decades i mean it takes longer to

1549
00:52:14,470 --> 00:52:11,760
build a house

1550
00:52:16,710 --> 00:52:14,480
than it does to in this case than 180

1551
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:16,720
days and and we're expecting a

1552
00:52:20,069 --> 00:52:18,559
comprehensive government whole

1553
00:52:21,270 --> 00:52:20,079
government approach to this to this

1554
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:21,280
topic

1555
00:52:25,589 --> 00:52:24,000
um you know if to me if you were to ask

1556
00:52:26,710 --> 00:52:25,599
me i think i think the task force is

1557
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:26,720
being set up for failure

1558
00:52:30,309 --> 00:52:28,079
then not by congress and i don't think

1559
00:52:32,069 --> 00:52:30,319
it's deliberate i think i think we need

1560
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:32,079
to take a step back and i think we

1561
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:34,400
really need to to assess what is it

1562
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:35,920
we're trying to achieve

1563
00:52:39,430 --> 00:52:37,680
and then let's set up these people for

1564
00:52:40,630 --> 00:52:39,440
success you know if we really want the

1565
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:40,640
right answers well

1566
00:52:46,950 --> 00:52:45,040
then we gotta be prepared to to

1567
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:46,960
to give them the necessary resources to

1568
00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:48,240
do this

1569
00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:50,240
otherwise you know all you're doing is

1570
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:51,760
setting up a bunch of patriots for

1571
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:52,720
failure and

1572
00:52:56,950 --> 00:52:54,960
and and putting frustration into the

1573
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:56,960
system

1574
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:58,880
lou just to get a couple of lister

1575
00:53:01,270 --> 00:53:00,480
questions and i've got one more question

1576
00:53:03,030 --> 00:53:01,280
for you

1577
00:53:07,750 --> 00:53:03,040
if you're part and all of this ended

1578
00:53:11,829 --> 00:53:10,549
you know i wish well i wish my part

1579
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:11,839
would end tomorrow

1580
00:53:18,390 --> 00:53:14,880
um i'm pretty tired

1581
00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:18,400
i'm pretty tired i've you know

1582
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:20,000
i don't know how much more i can i can

1583
00:53:23,109 --> 00:53:21,440
really give i've given

1584
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:23,119
you know my life savings to this and

1585
00:53:28,069 --> 00:53:24,480
i've given

1586
00:53:31,829 --> 00:53:28,079
my relationships to this um

1587
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:31,839
you know uh would i be satisfied

1588
00:53:36,150 --> 00:53:34,800
um i haven't had the opportunity or the

1589
00:53:39,510 --> 00:53:36,160
luxury to sit back and

1590
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:39,520
and really relish in the accomplishments

1591
00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:42,480
we've we've collectively achieved so

1592
00:53:46,630 --> 00:53:44,800
i've been too focused on the mission

1593
00:53:49,109 --> 00:53:46,640
i will say something that's been very

1594
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:49,119
heartfelt

1595
00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:50,640
i shared this with some very close

1596
00:53:53,349 --> 00:53:52,800
friends of mine i was looking on twitter

1597
00:53:56,710 --> 00:53:53,359
and some

1598
00:53:58,549 --> 00:53:56,720
some people in an incredible uh gesture

1599
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:58,559
of kindness offered to set up a

1600
00:54:02,710 --> 00:54:01,440
um a gofundme page or something like

1601
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:02,720
that where they were going to you know

1602
00:54:05,829 --> 00:54:04,079
contribute because

1603
00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:05,839
i guess the cat's gotten out of the bag

1604
00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:08,000
that i've i've

1605
00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:10,640
put my life savings into this because

1606
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:11,040
you know

1607
00:54:14,230 --> 00:54:12,960
it's it's a it's an endeavor that

1608
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:14,240
doesn't make money

1609
00:54:17,349 --> 00:54:15,599
you know if you're looking to make money

1610
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:17,359
this is not the topic to pursue at least

1611
00:54:22,390 --> 00:54:18,640
not right now

1612
00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:22,400
um my i i am truly

1613
00:54:25,829 --> 00:54:24,160
profoundly humbled by that gesture but

1614
00:54:28,790 --> 00:54:25,839
let me also say this

1615
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:28,800
if you want to honor what what i what

1616
00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:30,480
what i'm doing you want to honor any

1617
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:33,200
sacrifice that i've made in this

1618
00:54:37,109 --> 00:54:36,000
don't spend money on me take that money

1619
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:37,119
that you have

1620
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:39,599
take your your your wife your husband

1621
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:41,280
your boyfriend your girlfriends your

1622
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:42,240
kids

1623
00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:44,480
take them to a dinner spend time with

1624
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:45,680
them

1625
00:54:51,510 --> 00:54:48,720
and and just connect and and

1626
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:51,520
and be a family you want to honor me

1627
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:52,400
that would be the

1628
00:54:57,190 --> 00:54:54,960
the best best way to honor me don't

1629
00:54:59,829 --> 00:54:57,200
don't don't set anything up for me

1630
00:55:02,470 --> 00:54:59,839
you know i i i can i can go work at a

1631
00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:02,480
supermarket if i need to i gotta

1632
00:55:06,789 --> 00:55:04,960
return wrenches right i can i can fix

1633
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:06,799
cars um

1634
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:08,559
this journey is not about me it's about

1635
00:55:13,829 --> 00:55:10,319
the collective all of us

1636
00:55:14,549 --> 00:55:13,839
uh i i would be i would be much happier

1637
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:14,559
if you were to

1638
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:17,200
to save your hard-earned money and and

1639
00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:18,000
you know

1640
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:21,040
uh go to a nice dinner

1641
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:22,720
with your family and and talk about

1642
00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:24,000
things that are important maybe talk

1643
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:25,040
about uaps

1644
00:55:29,109 --> 00:55:27,839
right that'd be a great way yeah my kids

1645
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:29,119
like lying on the trampoline looking at

1646
00:55:31,109 --> 00:55:30,720
the stars and they're they're foreign

1647
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:31,119
too

1648
00:55:34,230 --> 00:55:33,119
and they've got their little toilet roll

1649
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:34,240
holders they've got they've made for

1650
00:55:36,789 --> 00:55:36,160
binoculars to pretend to look for aliens

1651
00:55:38,069 --> 00:55:36,799
so

1652
00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:38,079
they're they're on the way to carry on

1653
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:39,920
that conversation look

1654
00:55:42,549 --> 00:55:41,440
so many people you're a very popular

1655
00:55:44,549 --> 00:55:42,559
character and i know that's something

1656
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:44,559
you tend to shy away from the attention

1657
00:55:47,750 --> 00:55:46,319
that you get as well you don't crave it

1658
00:55:49,349 --> 00:55:47,760
which i think draws a lot of people to

1659
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:49,359
you as well unfortunately

1660
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:51,040
so many people wrote in with questions

1661
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:52,319
i've just like to put a couple of those

1662
00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:53,280
to you and then a

1663
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:56,000
60-second quick fire and craig labadie

1664
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:56,319
uh

1665
00:55:59,430 --> 00:55:57,839
mentioned during your recent interview

1666
00:56:00,230 --> 00:55:59,440
with john greenwald you mentioned there

1667
00:56:02,150 --> 00:56:00,240
were certain

1668
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:02,160
certain videos that had blown your mind

1669
00:56:06,069 --> 00:56:04,240
you talked about doing mental gymnastics

1670
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:06,079
to work out how a particular object

1671
00:56:09,910 --> 00:56:07,680
have could have done the maneuvers it

1672
00:56:11,829 --> 00:56:09,920
done so his question for you

1673
00:56:13,510 --> 00:56:11,839
are those types of videos and that type

1674
00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:13,520
of data held by

1675
00:56:17,349 --> 00:56:15,760
multiple governments is that rare or is

1676
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:17,359
that data more common than one might

1677
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:18,720
think

1678
00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:24,720
um the problem is there were never

1679
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:26,480
really any mechanisms to do anything

1680
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:27,359
with that data

1681
00:56:33,670 --> 00:56:30,400
so they are they are in in

1682
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:33,680
um bits and pieces if you will uh

1683
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:36,240
throughout uh different governments but

1684
00:56:41,109 --> 00:56:38,079
uh yeah there's some very

1685
00:56:41,670 --> 00:56:41,119
there's some very compelling data um you

1686
00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:41,680
know

1687
00:56:46,950 --> 00:56:43,599
in some cases you get these things 50

1688
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:46,960
feet away from the cockpit i mean that's

1689
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:48,160
at that point there ain't no question

1690
00:56:52,950 --> 00:56:51,359
what you're looking at um so

1691
00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:52,960
i have to ask you this one from doug

1692
00:56:57,030 --> 00:56:55,200
campbell regarding something i read or

1693
00:56:59,109 --> 00:56:57,040
heard possibly on a podcast

1694
00:57:01,270 --> 00:56:59,119
um it stated at one point that you had

1695
00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:01,280
considered being a psychic spy

1696
00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:03,680
is that at all true or and have you ever

1697
00:57:13,829 --> 00:57:10,710
damn uh you know how

1698
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:13,839
how poudov and i are are good friends

1699
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:17,440
um hal and his colleagues were involved

1700
00:57:22,309 --> 00:57:19,040
in some remarkable stuff

1701
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:22,319
uh um project stargate

1702
00:57:25,349 --> 00:57:24,240
before that grill flame and whatnot it's

1703
00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:25,359
no surprise that the

1704
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:27,280
department of the army and at some point

1705
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:29,680
the defense intelligence agency

1706
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:32,880
were were involved in that effort um

1707
00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:36,960
i uh i i'm not gonna elaborate

1708
00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:40,079
um great question uh maybe maybe for

1709
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:41,200
some other time

1710
00:57:44,069 --> 00:57:42,400
i like that one too and the last

1711
00:57:45,510 --> 00:57:44,079
listener question sorry to everyone who

1712
00:57:47,109 --> 00:57:45,520
i didn't get to hopefully the body of

1713
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:47,119
the interview answered some as well

1714
00:57:50,150 --> 00:57:48,640
but like lou said hopefully comes back

1715
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:50,160
one day to answer some more

1716
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:52,559
uh leif asked was there any particular

1717
00:57:56,549 --> 00:57:54,240
reason that the three videos that were

1718
00:57:58,069 --> 00:57:56,559
released to gimbal go fast and flare

1719
00:58:00,069 --> 00:57:58,079
were the ones that were chosen to be

1720
00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:00,079
released

1721
00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:03,760
yes good answer i won't probe you

1722
00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:04,880
further on that i feel that would be a

1723
00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:05,760
bit fruitless

1724
00:58:09,910 --> 00:58:07,680
uh listen quick fire round before we let

1725
00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:09,920
you go a couple of topics and subjects

1726
00:58:12,549 --> 00:58:11,440
we've not managed to talk about yet or

1727
00:58:14,470 --> 00:58:12,559
talk too much on

1728
00:58:15,750 --> 00:58:14,480
you can say a word a couple of words in

1729
00:58:20,829 --> 00:58:15,760
a sentence it's up to you

1730
00:58:29,510 --> 00:58:23,829
um a very

1731
00:58:33,589 --> 00:58:32,230
i have the utmost respect for the men

1732
00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:33,599
and women that were involved in that

1733
00:58:38,870 --> 00:58:35,280
project

1734
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:38,880
next one is bob lazar i've never met the

1735
00:58:43,109 --> 00:58:39,599
gentleman

1736
00:58:46,230 --> 00:58:43,119
uh i have no comment either way um i i

1737
00:58:49,349 --> 00:58:46,240
i have uh absolutely

1738
00:58:50,470 --> 00:58:49,359
zero interaction with mr lazar as a

1739
00:58:52,549 --> 00:58:50,480
human being

1740
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:52,559
uh both personally and professionally so

1741
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:54,000
therefore i i

1742
00:58:57,670 --> 00:58:55,839
i reserve my comment because i simply

1743
00:58:59,829 --> 00:58:57,680
don't i don't have an opinion i'm not

1744
00:59:01,670 --> 00:58:59,839
i don't have an opinion either way and

1745
00:59:03,270 --> 00:59:01,680
i'm just keeping it to myself i truly

1746
00:59:08,789 --> 00:59:03,280
don't have an opinion it's never been

1747
00:59:11,829 --> 00:59:10,309
if it works it works if it doesn't it

1748
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:11,839
doesn't um i

1749
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:14,079
have a hard problem personal problem

1750
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:15,359
with with anybody

1751
00:59:21,990 --> 00:59:18,720
charging for for for services

1752
00:59:24,549 --> 00:59:22,000
uh you know it's it's uh for me

1753
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:24,559
um this is not a money-making endeavor

1754
00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:26,000
uh i think i think

1755
00:59:30,470 --> 00:59:28,880
we pervert the truth when we do make it

1756
00:59:33,750 --> 00:59:30,480
a money-making endeavor

1757
00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:33,760
i think um all sorts of things

1758
00:59:37,109 --> 00:59:36,480
uh get introduced into the mix when this

1759
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:37,119
becomes

1760
00:59:43,349 --> 00:59:40,400
about profit um and that's with anybody

1761
00:59:44,549 --> 00:59:43,359
um you know i i'm not saying you have to

1762
00:59:47,589 --> 00:59:44,559
starve and and

1763
00:59:48,069 --> 00:59:47,599
you know but but profiting off of other

1764
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:48,079
people

1765
00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:50,880
in search for the truth i find

1766
00:59:54,710 --> 00:59:52,000
despicable

1767
00:59:56,230 --> 00:59:54,720
um you know that's one of the reasons

1768
00:59:57,990 --> 00:59:56,240
why i don't really do entertainment i i

1769
00:59:59,589 --> 00:59:58,000
prefer doing infotainment and

1770
01:00:01,589 --> 00:59:59,599
i don't mind information being

1771
01:00:02,710 --> 01:00:01,599
entertaining but entertainment for the

1772
01:00:05,109 --> 01:00:02,720
sake of entertainment

1773
01:00:06,390 --> 01:00:05,119
i'm that's not me i'm not an entertainer

1774
01:00:09,750 --> 01:00:06,400
i i want to

1775
01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:09,760
help inform um i think

1776
01:00:13,510 --> 01:00:11,920
uh you know there are a lot of as i said

1777
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:13,520
before hucksters and fraudsters out

1778
01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:14,079
there

1779
01:00:18,309 --> 01:00:16,799
and it's coming to light and you know

1780
01:00:19,910 --> 01:00:18,319
people are there's some savvy

1781
01:00:21,349 --> 01:00:19,920
investigators now or that are hot on the

1782
01:00:22,630 --> 01:00:21,359
trail of some of these individuals who

1783
01:00:25,030 --> 01:00:22,640
spent the last

1784
01:00:25,829 --> 01:00:25,040
several years if not decades defrauding

1785
01:00:29,430 --> 01:00:25,839
people

1786
01:00:31,349 --> 01:00:29,440
and you know all i gotta say is uh

1787
01:00:32,789 --> 01:00:31,359
you know sucks to be you you shouldn't

1788
01:00:35,910 --> 01:00:32,799
have done that shame on you

1789
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:35,920
um you know the truth

1790
01:00:39,510 --> 01:00:38,640
i i said this years ago you know there's

1791
01:00:43,349 --> 01:00:39,520
something

1792
01:00:46,549 --> 01:00:43,359
funny about the truth um

1793
01:00:49,030 --> 01:00:46,559
the truth she sometimes whispers

1794
01:00:50,710 --> 01:00:49,040
so you have to listen carefully but if

1795
01:00:52,870 --> 01:00:50,720
but but she

1796
01:00:54,390 --> 01:00:52,880
she always speaks and ultimately the

1797
01:00:57,589 --> 01:00:54,400
truth always comes out

1798
01:01:00,630 --> 01:00:57,599
so my advice would be for anybody if

1799
01:01:01,030 --> 01:01:00,640
if you're into ce5 if that's a real

1800
01:01:02,710 --> 01:01:01,040
thing

1801
01:01:04,150 --> 01:01:02,720
then great and i would ask that you'd be

1802
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:04,160
able to demonstrate it

1803
01:01:08,549 --> 01:01:05,760
in front of a camera in front of a large

1804
01:01:09,109 --> 01:01:08,559
audience and repeat it right scientific

1805
01:01:10,789 --> 01:01:09,119
method

1806
01:01:13,270 --> 01:01:10,799
make it make it repeatable and something

1807
01:01:16,230 --> 01:01:13,280
that can be peer reviewed otherwise

1808
01:01:21,109 --> 01:01:16,240
it's just your opinion i would ask does

1809
01:01:21,119 --> 01:01:26,069
well well uh

1810
01:01:30,789 --> 01:01:28,789
how about you tell me i have a gold

1811
01:01:34,470 --> 01:01:30,799
mankind

1812
01:01:36,789 --> 01:01:34,480
that's with pluto with the s uh i think

1813
01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:36,799
i i think i think i would too i think

1814
01:01:38,950 --> 01:01:37,680
that's

1815
01:01:40,390 --> 01:01:38,960
and louis to finish up the show

1816
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:40,400
appreciating your time what does

1817
01:01:47,030 --> 01:01:42,480
disclosure mean to you

1818
01:01:49,910 --> 01:01:47,040
ah well

1819
01:01:51,190 --> 01:01:49,920
i think we'll know it when we see it uh

1820
01:01:52,630 --> 01:01:51,200
i think we're in the process of

1821
01:01:53,750 --> 01:01:52,640
disclosure right now i think in five

1822
01:01:54,789 --> 01:01:53,760
years when we look back we're going to

1823
01:01:55,910 --> 01:01:54,799
realize we were in the middle of

1824
01:01:59,589 --> 01:01:55,920
disclosure

1825
01:02:03,109 --> 01:01:59,599
it's not an event

1826
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:03,119
um i think

1827
01:02:09,829 --> 01:02:06,480
disclosure means a a willingness to

1828
01:02:14,630 --> 01:02:09,839
recognize the truth

1829
01:02:19,190 --> 01:02:18,150
facts in a way that is transparent and

1830
01:02:22,150 --> 01:02:19,200
open

1831
01:02:22,630 --> 01:02:22,160
for all people to participate in all

1832
01:02:25,510 --> 01:02:22,640
people

1833
01:02:28,309 --> 01:02:25,520
not just one institution not just one

1834
01:02:31,270 --> 01:02:28,319
government not just one country

1835
01:02:32,630 --> 01:02:31,280
everybody and i think that is what

1836
01:02:34,549 --> 01:02:32,640
disclosure is about

1837
01:02:36,950 --> 01:02:34,559
it's the recognition that the earth is

1838
01:02:39,829 --> 01:02:36,960
not at the center of the solar system

1839
01:02:40,950 --> 01:02:39,839
and you know sometimes it's it's hard to

1840
01:02:43,430 --> 01:02:40,960
tell that truth

1841
01:02:44,789 --> 01:02:43,440
in the beginning but ultimately it

1842
01:02:47,750 --> 01:02:44,799
becomes self-evident

1843
01:02:47,990 --> 01:02:47,760
and i think we are in that process now i

1844
01:02:50,390 --> 01:02:48,000
think

1845
01:02:52,069 --> 01:02:50,400
we are in the throes of realizing that

1846
01:02:55,270 --> 01:02:52,079
the earth is not in the center

1847
01:02:56,870 --> 01:02:55,280
of our solar system um

1848
01:02:58,230 --> 01:02:56,880
and again with that i think there's

1849
01:02:59,190 --> 01:02:58,240
there's a lot of hope i think there's a

1850
01:03:02,150 --> 01:02:59,200
lot of

1851
01:03:03,029 --> 01:03:02,160
opportunity there but let's not jump to

1852
01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:03,039
conclusions

1853
01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:06,000
you know let's let's maintain the course

1854
01:03:09,510 --> 01:03:06,960
of being

1855
01:03:10,069 --> 01:03:09,520
diligent and deliberate and methodical

1856
01:03:13,349 --> 01:03:10,079
uh

1857
01:03:14,549 --> 01:03:13,359
and and you know open-minded to to the

1858
01:03:17,589 --> 01:03:14,559
best of our ability

1859
01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:17,599
while trying to maintain um

1860
01:03:21,430 --> 01:03:19,760
our our dedication to the scientific

1861
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:21,440
process

1862
01:03:25,349 --> 01:03:23,760
lou it's been an honor genuinely and a

1863
01:03:26,630 --> 01:03:25,359
pleasure speaking to you

1864
01:03:27,990 --> 01:03:26,640
and i look forward to the day i can

1865
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:28,000
welcome you back on again for that

1866
01:03:31,430 --> 01:03:29,280
second part

1867
01:03:33,029 --> 01:03:31,440
anytime i will tell you this is a true

1868
01:03:35,029 --> 01:03:33,039
true pleasure for me i want to answer

1869
01:03:35,510 --> 01:03:35,039
one question for you that you haven't

1870
01:03:36,870 --> 01:03:35,520
asked

1871
01:03:39,990 --> 01:03:36,880
but i know some of your viewers are

1872
01:03:42,789 --> 01:03:40,000
asking why am i doing these podcasts

1873
01:03:44,390 --> 01:03:42,799
why am i is there an attempt by me is

1874
01:03:45,990 --> 01:03:44,400
there a media blitz that i'm involved

1875
01:03:49,589 --> 01:03:46,000
with in order to

1876
01:03:52,950 --> 01:03:49,599
achieve something well the answer is yes

1877
01:03:55,670 --> 01:03:52,960
and that yes is that

1878
01:03:57,190 --> 01:03:55,680
part of phase two from my opinion is

1879
01:03:58,630 --> 01:03:57,200
getting the word out to anybody and

1880
01:03:59,589 --> 01:03:58,640
everybody as you know i don't make a

1881
01:04:01,510 --> 01:03:59,599
penny doing these

1882
01:04:03,109 --> 01:04:01,520
i don't charge anybody i don't get an

1883
01:04:05,430 --> 01:04:03,119
appearance fee for doing this

1884
01:04:07,910 --> 01:04:05,440
uh it takes a lot of time on my day but

1885
01:04:09,910 --> 01:04:07,920
i do it because it's important

1886
01:04:11,430 --> 01:04:09,920
i do it because it is making a

1887
01:04:12,230 --> 01:04:11,440
difference we're finally having the

1888
01:04:13,829 --> 01:04:12,240
conversation

1889
01:04:15,589 --> 01:04:13,839
and even if you disagree with my

1890
01:04:16,390 --> 01:04:15,599
perspective it's okay because the

1891
01:04:18,309 --> 01:04:16,400
conversation

1892
01:04:19,670 --> 01:04:18,319
is still happening even if you don't

1893
01:04:21,349 --> 01:04:19,680
agree with with

1894
01:04:23,109 --> 01:04:21,359
how i'm doing things and the way we're

1895
01:04:24,309 --> 01:04:23,119
doing things that's still good

1896
01:04:26,309 --> 01:04:24,319
that's okay because you don't have to

1897
01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:26,319
agree with me you don't have to

1898
01:04:31,109 --> 01:04:29,520
be in my camp or my team

1899
01:04:33,430 --> 01:04:31,119
i don't need that i just need you having

1900
01:04:36,470 --> 01:04:33,440
the conversation and it's happening

1901
01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:36,480
so uh you know my hats off really to you

1902
01:04:39,910 --> 01:04:38,400
and to your listeners thank you for what

1903
01:04:42,630 --> 01:04:39,920
you do

1904
01:04:44,230 --> 01:04:42,640
thank you for what your listeners uh do

1905
01:04:45,990 --> 01:04:44,240
taking time out of their day when they

1906
01:04:49,270 --> 01:04:46,000
probably should be doing something

1907
01:04:50,710 --> 01:04:49,280
uh you know productive um for their

1908
01:04:52,069 --> 01:04:50,720
family or for their work and instead

1909
01:04:54,230 --> 01:04:52,079
they're taking the time

1910
01:04:55,750 --> 01:04:54,240
to listen to this podcast uh maybe these

1911
01:04:56,950 --> 01:04:55,760
people are just getting off work right

1912
01:04:58,710 --> 01:04:56,960
and they're tired and

1913
01:05:00,630 --> 01:04:58,720
and want to make dinner for themselves

1914
01:05:02,309 --> 01:05:00,640
but instead they're they're listening

1915
01:05:04,230 --> 01:05:02,319
to this podcast you know thank you thank

1916
01:05:06,390 --> 01:05:04,240
you for doing that this is

1917
01:05:08,390 --> 01:05:06,400
this is a mutual conversation i get just

1918
01:05:10,309 --> 01:05:08,400
as much out of this dialogue

1919
01:05:11,670 --> 01:05:10,319
as you and your listeners do i assure

1920
01:05:13,670 --> 01:05:11,680
you that is

1921
01:05:14,870 --> 01:05:13,680
all for this week's show thank you very

1922
01:05:16,710 --> 01:05:14,880
much for listening

1923
01:05:18,870 --> 01:05:16,720
please remember to leave the podcaster

1924
01:05:21,589 --> 01:05:18,880
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1925
01:05:23,510 --> 01:05:21,599
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1926
01:05:25,510 --> 01:05:23,520
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1927
01:05:27,029 --> 01:05:25,520
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1928
01:05:29,029 --> 01:05:27,039
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1929
01:05:31,349 --> 01:05:29,039
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1930
01:05:33,510 --> 01:05:31,359
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1931
01:05:35,910 --> 01:05:33,520
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1932
01:05:37,349 --> 01:05:35,920
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1933
01:05:41,190 --> 01:05:37,359
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1934
01:05:43,349 --> 01:05:41,200
of course on twitter it's at ufouapam

1935
01:06:02,829 --> 01:05:43,359
and again folks as always keep looking

1936
01:06:02,839 --> 01:06:12,640
alice

1937
01:06:12,650 --> 01:06:16,829
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1938
01:06:16,839 --> 01:06:22,470
is

1939
01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:23,910
i can't imagine how it could have been

1940
01:06:48,870 --> 01:06:47,109
was weird and everything was red helped

1941
01:07:01,780 --> 01:06:48,880
my boys they thought this was noise they

1942
01:07:11,670 --> 01:07:01,790
thought it was a dream

1943
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:17,020
and what's that

1944
01:07:26,950 --> 01:07:21,589
[Music]

1945
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:31,260
consider your serious

1946
01:07:54,829 --> 01:07:51,990
[Music]

1947
01:08:00,700 --> 01:07:54,839
it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

1948
01:08:38,110 --> 01:08:14,549
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